Riverside Parade 1966: Is this Ross Sullivan and Cheri Jo Bates?

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This is footage of a parade in Riverside circa 1966. Of note, Ramona High School’s Band participated in the parade.

Here is a screen capture around 13 seconds in:

Note the woman in the red pants and the man sitting next to her.

The video is not high quality but here is a blown up screenshot of that photo.

(EDIT 10/27/24 – Some CJB photos for comparison)

At the time I discovered this video on YouTube and posted a link on zodiackillersite about 6 months back I declared the footage too grainy for identifying a person but that the guy on the right looked like a “Ross shaped blob”. Here is a comparison photo.

The jacket on the left photo above looks similar to the man in the parade. Here is a blow up of the collar for comparison.

In the above photo he is looking to the right or talking to her. Body language is him inclined toward her and her leaning away. She has her elbow resting on her knee and her hand holding up her chin, making it hard to talk. (ALTENATIVELY: Her left hand could be straight, resting on the right side of her face.)

For what it’s worth, I don’t think a positive identification can be made here with the tools I have. I’d say it’s plausible that that is Ross but far from a sure thing.

Now for her, and this is where it gets interesting. Way back I entertained the notion that might be Cheri Jo Bates. Beside from general shape, this girl has red capri’s that look like the one’s she had on when she died. (Alternatively that’s a red dress but I’ve enhanced several screen shots and I’d say I’m fairly certain they are capri’s)

(UPDATE: A note that seems pertinent here. According to the newspaper article ‘Death on a dirt driveway: A life that ended too soon’ Cheri made the capri’s she wore the night she was killed. You can read that article here: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=73)

(EDIT 10/27/24 – Just want to note that her prized car was light green like the jacket in this picture. I wonder if Green was her favorite color.)

However, Cheri in the photos provided wears her hair generally hanging to the left of her face rather than the right and she had blonde highlights around this time. (EDIT 10/27/24 – the new photos above of her show her with hairstyles that could work with what is seen in the video) It’s possible it’s a pony tail, wind is blowing it that way, or it’s just short and symmetrical but the shadows and poor quality of the footage are distorting an accurate idea of what it actually looks like. No matter what, the footage is such low quality that very little detail of the face is possible to see. I abandoned the idea.

Relooking over the photo now it struck me: where is this girl’s purse?

I played with filters …

Look closely in-between them where his hands are resting. You’ll likely have to expand the pic a good bit to see it so I’ve added some pictures below.

A striped bag is resting behind them. That bag looked familiar.

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT NEXT CONTAINING CRIME SCENE PHOTO OF CHERI JO

Very similar purse. Very similar pants as well. Similar outfit and body shape in general. Is that Cheri Jo at the parade?

It appears she is with a boy on her right in the shadows next to a pillar. The face is clearer for the child in some of the screenshots than these two. Is that her brother, another relative, or a child she babysat? I’ve never seen a pic of her brother or if he’s even younger than her but that would be pretty big to identifying if it’s her or not.

(UPDATE: Apparently her brother was 20 at the time according to the article I linked above so that’s definitely not him next to the mystery girl in this video. There is a quote in that article from her friend Kathy Sites in that article that stuck out to me. “Cheri had a lot of friends. When we went to parties I was amazed at the number of kids from other schools that knew her.”)

(UPDATE 2022: Because of the blood stains I couldn’t tell but today i saw a crime scene photo from the opposite angle and it appears that the sweater/jacket Cheri Jo was wearing on the night of the murder was green just like the one in this video. (EDIT 2024 – Apparently it was a long sleeved pale yellow blouse with a ribbon tied at the throat according to Inside Detective. Cheri’s car, though, was the color green of her car so that’s something to think about) Crazy, but this may very well be Cheri Jo Bates. The same red capri pants, green coat, and black striped straw purse – it’s the same outfit. Cheri Jo was pictured with dark hair in some photos and went to Ramona which was on parade (and I think she was a cheerleader so she had extra reasons to be there). The “Ross shaped blob” is impossible to ID but that guy has a coat very very similar to the one Ross had on in the Deja Vive photo and is the same general look and body shape of Ross Sullivan.)

Ross Sullivan odds and ends to close out 2024

So, a poster called SmallOrbit found the original Halloween card which is awesome. We can see where Z cut things out. We can also see he altered the eyes with white paint.

Jo Ann Bailey said this about Ross Sullivan’s job at the library: “He would work an hour or so a day lettering the books with white ink or an electric stylus. It would have to have been lettered EXACTLY as required.”

Hmm … small white ink work on the Zodiac card that needed a steady hand …

Remember, the broken watch found at the scene of the crime had white paint speckles on it.

Today I noticed something that Bailey brought up in her letter that I hadn’t thought enough about but is very very interesting. Bailey said the day after Cheri Jo’s murder they were saying to each other at the library if Ross didn’t show up for work and came back with different clothes then he was the culprit. As it turned out, she said he didn’t come back for weeks. When he did he came back with different clothes, as predicted.

But forget that for a minute – think about the timing of all of this.

Bailey said Ross was at RCC all of the time (“like a statue” including her seeing him the Friday afternoon before talking to a girl) and Ross’s brother Tim’s friend Gerald Katz corroborated that he was a fixture on campus. Now think about the timing of Cheri Jo’s murder and when the body was discovered. She’s murdered late Sunday night and the body isn’t discovered until a grounds person sees her around 6am.

The point?

The body was found so late into Monday that everyone is coming back to school on Monday and no one could know she was murdered yet.

This is why they were waiting on that day to see if he turned up for work and why she thought he was the murderer if he didn’t. He was always there. And yet, without word getting out that Cheri Jo had been murdered, that day of all days he doesn’t show up, even though he couldn’t know yet about the murder. I agree with her. Very very suspicious.

Speaking of that watch, everyone talks about how small it is (a 7 i think) and that Ross was too big for it.

But look at the one found and then the walking picture where Ross is wearing a watch.

He’s wearing the wristwatch up from his wrist where the arm is narrowest. And the watch band shows signs of lots of stretching. This is possibly why it came off because that’s a weird break unless the leather is already worn and frayed.

A poster named TimexMarlin on the tapatalk remembered that one of Oranchak’s solutions for the random letters called the z18 was this:

Ross Sullivan played a character called Sepp Schmitz in Firebugs (see other postings on this blog).

This comes from the Zodiac Killer’s San Francisco Chronicle Letter on July 31st, 1969. It is a possible solve for the left over letters from the solved cypher: ebeorietemethhpiti.

In that letter Zodiac says: “Here is part of a cipher the other 2 parts of this cipher are being mailed to the editors of the Vallejo Times and SF Examiner. I want you to print this cipher on the front page of your paper. In this cipher is my idenity. If you do not print this cipher by the afternoon of Fry.1st of Aug 69, I will go on a kill ram-Page Fry. night. I will cruse around all weekend killing lone people in the night then move on to kill again, until I end up with a dozen people over the weekend.

“In this cipher is my idenity”

In the solved cryptogram he says then says: “ … I will not give you my name … ”

If this is an actual solve, then this actually makes some sense of the what looks like Zodiac contradicting himself. Zodiac gives his “identity” – Schmitz – but not his name – Ross Sullivan.

Hmm ….

Man it’s hard to get away from Ross Sullivan.

The Case For Ross Sullivan Being the Zodiac Killer

Real talk here: Take the title with a grain of salt. I don’t know if Ross Sullivan was the Zodiac Killer.

Some of the usual things brought up against him are germane. 1) He might have been too big. Sources put him at 6’2″ 220-300 lbs and he died in 1977 from Pickwickian Syndrome which indicates he was heavy when he died. 2) Although we can place him firmly where Cheri Jo Bates was killed, we don’t know where he was for any of the canonical murders and cannot place him at the scene. He’s hard to track down. 3) He might be hard to track down because of mental illness and being institutionalized at points. There have been some unsubstantiated claims he was institutionalized during some crimes. There is also speculation that Zodiac could not have been on that level of mental illness and did what he did. 4) The reporter who solicited the Jo Ann Bailey letter, Dave Peterson, had a dialogue with some law enforcement about Ross in which they said they compared to Ross’s fingerprints to the Stine cab. He was told by Toschi that they didn’t match. Peterson was unsatisfied with what was reported because palm and partial prints weren’t compared but it’s unclear what happened next.

So, I really don’t know. And I wouldn’t be surprised that if this case is ever solved that it wasn’t Ross Sullivan. But it feels like right now is the time to try to compile a compelling circumstantial case that Ross Sullivan killed Cheri Jo Bates and went on to become the Zodiac Killer. This is my blogs magnum opus, combining everything I’ve talked about before and some I haven’t into a cohesive story. I’m not attempting to do everything here, there are better sites out there for that, more just combine insights I don’t see much discussion about. Still be prepared for it to be long.

CONNECTIONS TO THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE ZODIAC KILLER

These are the classic drawings of Zodiac.

Ross Sullivan looks EXTREMELY like the suspect’s facial drawing. Yes, there were a lot of guys in that era that sported the same hair style and glasses but the drawing shows more than just that. Ross’s bottom lip protrudes out like the drawing. He has the same widow’s peak. The same ears. The same facial dimensions. He has a Welsh look like Fouke stated. The eyes are the same with the same stare and slightly more closed left eye. The Wassail picture above is the best for me. It looks like the same guy down to the cheek dimples.

(EDIT 10/28/24 – Watch found at CHB’s crime scene for comparison)

Ross Sullivan’s body shape matches the Berryessa drawing exactly. Stocky with a bit of weight but not classically fat. Clothes fit the same way. Arm length is the same. In both pictures he’s wearing the same style shoes, the same style of watch as the CJB crime scene, and the same style pleated pants with the cuffs folded up (they are down in the bottom picture but it’s clear from the crease they are usually up and the 2 other guys in the picture I cut this pic from wore them up too). Hartnell said “they were outdated .. almost to the waist .. pleated .. ” and that he had a “big stomach.” Same here. Go up to the previous picture and put the hood on him and it sure does match up.

Fouke said he was “slightly bent forward .. shuffling lope“. Same as above in the Ren Faire and an olive branch to the varying descriptions to Zodiac’s height. If you look at that picture, because of the bent over way he walks, head down, long stride, and relatively short arms in comparison to his width, I originally thought that couldn’t be Ross because the guy looks under 6 feet there and around 200. But if you imagine that guy standing up straight, he’s probably 6’2”. Measures of height influence our measure of weight.

If these pictures are indeed Ross, and there is good reason to think they are, he’s got similar style shoes and baggy rust color pants in this but also looks like he is wearing aviators, which Hartnell indicated. (Fouke’s description of his pants was that they were pleated rust brown wool pants that were baggy in the back.)

Yes, yes – I know eyewitness descriptions are unreliable and there has been a lot of skepticism about matching someone to them. However, 1) GSK, among others, ended up looking exactly like the drawings and 2) Ross not only matches the one but both sketches right down to the details. The matches to the clothing and the way they fit – these are easy things to replicate in a sketch without much error and Hartnell, in particular, remembered a lot of details about Z’s appearance. Ross is not just a guy in the ballpark of the eyewitness sketches, he matches them nearly exactly, in every way, and in places less subject to witness error.

Ross was 27 on the date of LHR killing. 28 for Stine. He had reddish brown hair that looks lighter or darker in his pics depending on the lighting. This matches well with the hair color descriptions of Zodiac. He died in ’77 after moving back to Santa Clara in ’74 (as surmised from his death certificate) which would rather neatly wrap up Z’s lack of communication post ’74. (If it hasn’t happened yet we should be looking at Santa Clara newspapers from 74′ to 77′) About a year after Stine in 1970, Ross’s brother John applied for a conservatorship for Ross which may explain when he went into some assisted living situation and matches up close to when Z stopped killing. Ross being out of Santa Clara at the end of ’68 (indicated by him no longer being listed in the residence he was previously in the ’69 Santa Clara white pages) and likely with or around his brother Tim in San Francisco may have included having access to a car. Very convenient timing for the killings over the next year. And Tim and Bonnie are said to have fled suddenly up to Canada in late ’69 to avoid the draft which, if Ross was Zodiac, account for the changed MO of driving out to secluded lover’s lanes to instead kill Stine in a cab. His transportation might have dried up.

Before I get to the next topic, let me repost this for good measure:

The first picture is a Berryessa sketch of a POI who was “rather nice looking … thin lips .. small ears .. well built .. straight eyebrows .. round face“, according to the witnesses. The second and third are Ross’s brother Tim. According to Katz, Tim moved to Canada in late ’69. The Berryessa attack happened 09/27/69 and Stine 10/11/69.

CONNECTIONS TO THE DESCRIPTIONS OF ZODIACS PERSONALITY TRAITS FROM WITNESS AND ZODIAC’S SKILL SET.

  1. Voice

Slover said he had no accent. His voice was mature. Soft. Perhaps a teenager doing a deeper voice. Hartnell said he had a drawl but it wasn’t southern. Moderate. Not stupid or smart sounding. Both of them thought they would recognize the voice if they heard it again and ruled out “Sam”, the famous caller who claimed to be Zodiac. In short, Zodiac’s voice was memorable.

A little while back I interviewed someone who knew Ross from high school in California from drama productions. This is what I wrote about that call:

I learned that, from his perspective, Ross was a likeable, funny guy. Smart. Sweet, even. It really humanized Ross.

One thing sticks with me, though, that I want to share. I can’t get away from it.

I’ve been curious is Ross had an accent. He moved from New York to California, so it follows. When I asked this guy if Ross had an accent or a peculiar way of talking, he got thoughtful and said:

‘.. no .. no .. I don’t remember an accent.’

I pressed a touch.  ‘Maybe a cadence to how he talked or something?’

Then, like a lightning bolt:

‘Well, I don’t remember an accent, but I can tell you this: when Ross Sullivan was talking to you, you knew it was him.’

The way he said that told me it was a clear memory.”

2. Media and Theatrical connections

Slover, in relation to the voice, also said the caller seemed to be reading from a rehearsed script. This brings us to the next subject.

Ross Sullivan was an avid actor. He is confirmed to have been in 3 different productions. In each of these he played .. a villain. The first character was Bad Billy, apparently a cowboy villain from the picture of the play. The second was a knife wielding Beatnik in the student movie Deja Vive. This project got newspaper coverage but ran out of money and was never finished. The third was at Riverside as Sepp Schmitz in Firebugs: Biedermann Goes to Hell. The play itself was covered in the school newspaper as “a terrifying experience” and “the type of play that people with weak hearts should not attend or come only with their nurse.” Schmitz is a charismatic, menacing arsonist in the play. “A crude, slovenly wrestler” as the student reviewer put it. At the end of it, in the afterlife of hell, the Schmitz role plays Beelzebub. This character gets control of the victims who end up in hell like they are his slaves. Ross apparently excelled in the roll because the student newspaper reviewer singled him out as stealing the show. His performance was “the highlight of the evening“. “All eyes were on him“. “… perfectly providing some comedy mingled with the fear they instilled.” “Later as Gottliebe was lighting candles on the dinner table, Sepp’s eyes were glued to the flame, and a low wicked rumble (of) delight crept out of his throat.” As Beelzebub and Schmitz, Ross had lines like “once again, nothing but teenagers“, a lament that juicier souls didn’t end up in hell; “And they feared me in every village, for i was stronger than them all, because I was possessed by the devil“; and “it is unworthy of God, unworthy of man, to call a Fate Stupidity simply because it happened. The man who acts so no longer deserves God’s earth .. nor the air he breathes .. nor the sun“. This last one rings strongly with the Confession Letter’s “Miss Bates was stupid. She went like a lamb to the slaughter.”

So, Ross literally played a crude, slovenly, murderous, fear inducing, yet comedic man who allows himself to be possessed by the devil to set the world on fire and eventually goes on to be Beelzebub, a pontificating and poetic ruler in hell over the souls sent to him.

I mean, you can’t make this stuff up.

And I can’t help but notice for what it’s worth that these 3 rolls neatly contain villains who kill and terrorize “by rope, by gun, by knife, and by fire“.

It also gels with why Z felt the need to send a correspondence commenting on The Exorcist “the best saterical comidy I have ever seen” and not on any of the Zodiac inspired films out there. He felt a special connection to that one. As if he’s saying, “That’s not what being possessed by the devil is like, silly people“.

(Excerpt from the article above: “A psychological study, the drama revolves around a college student, Harvey, who is shown in deep concentration, envisioning his future. In the finale, Harvey is destroyed as the result of his own thoughts.”)

Ross was a part of his Binghamton, NY high schools acting and orator’s clubs and, in a Glendale High School yearbook, was included as a performer in a variety act show.

So, let’s go back to Slover saying she was given the impression that Z was reading from a rehearsed script. Let’s also remember that Z showed improvisational skills and rehearsed cover stories when he talked Hartnell and Shepard into letting themselves be tied up all while bantering about escaping a prison in Montana to Hartnell. Z was also cool under fire when he told Fouke and co. as they pulled up that he saw a guy running with a gun the opposite direction. These are marks of a good actor.


People in plays learn how to alter their appearance and make costumes, all things Zodiac indicated he knew. Putting Ross at the Renaissance Faire also adds this little possibility:

The first picture shows how to make clothing including your own hood. Instruction came with the playbill handed out to guests. The bottom picture is from the Ren Faire and shows a guy on the right with a similar looking tabard to Lake Berryessa).

The Berryessa costume is theatrical to say the least. Z’s letter writing is also fanciful at times, like he is playing a villain with his taunting “better catch me soon” kind of comments. There are also the Mikado quotes in ’70 “Little Lists” letter (even if it’s likely the Groucho tv version) and the ’74 Exorcist letter. Go back and look at the Exorcist letter. This doesn’t get brought up much for some reason and it’s very compelling. Zodiac likes to add little trolls in the format areas of the letters and envelopes. You have the weird symbol in the return address of the Avery letter. The trouble he took to physically type out a “By __________________ ” at the top of the Confession letter. The crosshair symbols in the normal spot for a letter signature. The Z13 “signature”. There are many more. He loves to troll in these spots. In the Exorcist letter he finishes by saying “Signed, yours truley:” Take special notice of the colon there. He put it there for a reason. A colon indicates that what is following is directly connected to what is before. In this case, the colon tells us the following is the identity of the signer. Who wrote the Mikado? Gilbert and .. Sullivan. That’s a heck of a coincidence.

As for media in general, it stands to reason that a theater guy would like other mediums in the artistic field. An acquaintance of Ross and his brother Tim, Gerald Katz, described Ross as a “writer, poet, and painter but also a psychotic .. he was extremely passionate, love starved, jealous, and resentful“. He also said Ross “could be depressed or very agitated” and that Ross had once threatened him and was Katz “more scared than I have ever been of someone else“. Another acquaintance said he was always singing Beatles songs, painted feverishly, and threatened someone in the house with a knife while he was drunk.

Librarian and co-worker Jo Ann Bailey who wrote about Ross to Dave Peterson (I believe) surrounding CJB’s death (and I’m not sure she knew Z was in the picture when talking about Ross) said: “He remarked to one staff member about being cooped up in that tiny little room at the Y that he needed to write continually to keep from doing harm to himself or others.” This gels with the dripping pen card’s “I feel awfully lonely when I am ignored, so lonely I could do my thing!!!!!!“, the Belli letters urgent pleading 3 times “please help me” and saying “I am drownding .. I cannot remain in control for much longer”, and the general bent Z has on continually telling the media to catch him like the Confession letters admonishment to beware because he was stalking their girls, and it would be on their conscience not his if they were killed or giving them time to find the bus bomb or many others. “He really took pride in being threateningly off beat and capable of doing anything.” “He liked to enroll himself in literary/and psychology type courses even though his spelling and grammatical skills were somewhat limited.” Bailey also indicated Ross did a project on different writing styles for a class, (Riverside College had a lot of Police classes for those wanting to go into that field), his job was to write very exactly with a white stylus on the spines of books, and, an interesting tidbit, he wrote a poem and submitted it to a poetry contest on campus which must have been published because the librarians read it and were put off by it. Ross, in other words, was known to submit work to publications. (BTW, I’ve searched for that poem, and it appears that it wasn’t an official school publication that held the contest, but a club on campus, because the normal school poetry publication didn’t happen that year. It’s probably lost to time.)

Ross’s family life did not appear to be happy. Sometime in his high school years or possibly just after when his mother died, he and his brother lived briefly with the Siliphant’s. Ross was connected to Allan Silliphant through high school and from Deja Vive and Allan was a relative of the prolific writer Stirling Silliphant. What did Silliphant mostly write? Pulpy detective stories. By the scores. Check out his IMDB profile. Silliphant wrote the 1960 Village of the Damned script during approximately this time about killer blond children who act maturely but show no emotion and are cold to others. A tagline of a poster reads “Behind the blazing eyes of this fair-haired child lurk the demon forces of another planet!

Again, you can’t make this stuff up.

In my opinion, the Zodiac had artistic vision and a talent for the theatrical. Ross Sullivan did too.

3. Martial, Athletic, and Outdoor Training

According to his relatives, Ross Sullivan regularly hunted with guns in his New York adolescence. He swam for his New York school’s swim team. His dad was a celebrated YMCA youth director in New York and later in Glendale and was attributed to outdoor camping trips in the desert, among other things. Ross was apparently involved in these activities and the Y in general as he was once appointed their youth chapel leader. His grandfather was a WW2 veteran. Ross Sullivan had outdoor experience, youth skill training experience, access to military expertise and gear, and experience with guns.

Ross apparently also had some other unusual skills. According to Gerald Katz, he went over to the house of Noelle Jette where Ross was staying and found sheep skins hanging up around the house drying. Ross had butchered and skinned these animals himself and Katz remarked that it was very unusual, and that people didn’t do that kind of thing. Ross Sullivan had skill with a knife.

PSYCHOLOGICAL CONNECTIONS TO ZODIAC

The psychological profile of Z is understandably a matter of a great debate. I’m going to touch on some things that make sense to me. This stuff is obviously tenuous but certainly an educated guess and a story of how Ross might psychologically fit the Zodiac Killer.

  1. Relationship with Authority

Zodiac is trolling towards authority, yes, but oddly polite at points, eager to show off his knowledge of the systems the authority use, and even encouraging to them. It appears to me that he wants to be accepted as an equal to them more than destroy them.

First, Z takes the time to properly format his letters and the envelopes. He does things like double stamp the envelopes to make sure they get there. He makes sure they get to the right place by placing things like “Please Rush to Editor“. Notice the “Please“. Weird courtesy from a serial killer. In the letter itself he often started with “Dear Editor“. Again, notice the “Dear“. He generally adheres to an opening address line and ends with a traditional signature line. He loves to continue the format with P.S.’s.

In the meat of the letters, he revels in instructing how he did things and correcting things they got wrong. But just as soon as he does, he takes pains to censor his cussing (“fk I’m crackproof“) and commiserate with them. “I thought you might need a good laugh” or giving them time to dig up the bus bomb. Yes, he goes hard on police, but that seems to be an escalation. The cussing censorship and the “Christmass” spelling tell me he possibly had a religious upbringing.

From this, I surmise that Zodiac probably had a strained relationship with an authoritarian father and that he was not in a position of power in society at large. Zodiac’s desire for respect and recognition by the authorities and society at large shows a deep need for validation. The father was probably a civic leader of some kind. Zodiac is trained in formatting and other things including the cyphers even though he has grammatical and spelling issues. That lends itself to a disciplined family with organization who gave him the opportunity to learn those things and maybe expected it in their family life. Z does not appear to be wealthy, however, which likely means his civic leading father, if he was one, had a lower paying position like police officer, military officer, or religious figure.

Ross Sullivan’s father Harold was a religious figure. He directed the YMCA youth (a religious position at the time) as well as pastoring a church and leading bible studies. Ross was named a junior chaplain. He had a religious upbringing.

Ross’s father was also estranged to him. Bailey said that his father had nothing to do with kids after their mother died. The family had an odd, sudden move as far across the country as they could move from New York to California right around early high school time for Ross. It does not appear that they had relatives in California. After Ross’s mom died in ’60, it does not appear that Ross continued to live with him, although Harold’s house is listed on his Selective Service card at 18. As stated before, he and the boys went to live with the Siliphants at one point, as recalled by Allan Siliphant. Ross stayed in a YMCA at Riverside (according to Jo Ann Bailey) or friend’s houses like Noelle Jettes. He worked occasionally as a dishwasher according to records as well as for the RC library to I assume pay the bills. Bailey says he never changed his clothes and had previously been in the Patton medical institution. He probably didn’t have money to change clothes. This all points to him not having a relationship with his dad. It helps connect him to Hartnell’s shabby, cheaper clothes comments about Z in Berryessa. This, to me, all fits with what I’m seeing in Z’s communications.

2. Zodiac’s Mental Health

Was Zodiac actually mentally ill or did he just play at it? Were the misspellings purposeful or a clever ruse? There is a lot of debate about this. Whether it was ruse of not, his letters indicate to me he had had therapy of some sort. He starts it in the Confession letter he goes out of the way to say “I am not sick. I am insane.” And it gets more pronounced when we get to the later letters like The Badlands “citizen” letter which drips with feeling like a person who knows triggers because of therapy wrote it and the final one he is officially attributed to, the Count Marco letter, has him alleging Marco had a “personality disorder – always needs to feel superior” followed by “I suggest you recommend him to a shrink“.

The letters certainly seem to have been written in different states of mind and/or agitation. There is a lot of slanted writing and volatility. Ruses? Maybe, but it’s hard to pull that off for as many communications as he wrote.

Jo Ann Bailey said Ross told them that he had been in Patton State Mental Hospital in San Bernadino from ’61 to ’64 before he climbed over a wall and escaped. One guy who lived with Ross said he visited him at Agnews about a year before the Lake Herman Road killing. His brother John, who filed for conservatorship over Ross, later described him as “a very large, imposing schizophrenic who was lost in delusions for periods of time“. He died in ’77 at Live Oak Res Home which appears to be a mental health facility. Ross had mental problems.

But wouldn’t that stop him from being the Zodiac? Well, I don’t know. But as we just talked about before, he came out of Patton in ’64 and was excelling in theater just a year later as well as holding down a job and living on his own. That seems highly functional to me.

Gerald Katz said that Tim told him “that he was sure his brother Ross was the Zodiac killer .. He left Riverside after Cheri Jo Bates was killed and moved to Northern California where he would alternately be committed to mental hospitals and be released. He resided at times in San Francisco and Santa Cruz.”

Mental Health treatment went through a volatile time in California in the 60’s. The governor decided to radically cut down the cost to the people of the state by changing how the state handled treatment. One of those ways was a push to get patients into smaller outpatient clinics they could visit weekly rather than stay in actual institutions. There was a letter compiled by the leading mental health care doctors of the time crying out against this that included the names of several hundred people that had been put into this new system that they felt were a danger to society. I often wonder if Z’s name was on that list. There is a Santa Clara news article from ’69 that mentions reductions in patient populations particularly at Agnews.

Jo Ann Bailey said that Ross disappeared for a couple of weeks after the murder before returning with new clothes. The January ’69 Inside Detective published a 6-page article about the Cheri Jo Bates killing with this interesting little tidbit: “A mental patient at nearby Patton State Hospital made a confession of sorts by telling a hospital psychiatrist that he ‘thought he had killed Cheri Jo Bates.The psychiatrist determined from exhaustive interviews that the patient was subject to delusions and hallucinations, and was apparently not even acquainted with Cheri Jo Bates.” This interview apparently happened before Nov. 13th, less than two weeks after her murder.

3. Apparent Lack of Sexual Motivation in the Murders

It’s been noteworthy to people since they happened that the murders didn’t show signs of sexual assault despite being carried out mostly on lover’s lane type victims. This doesn’t rule out a sexual motivation – perhaps he got off on it in another way – but the content of the Zodiac letters and calls have him calling his victims non-sexualized descriptors like “kids” and don’t really have the bent of being sex addled. The exception is the Confession Letter, perhaps, but the way he communicates it in seems so clumsy and forced it’s hard to take it seriously. The cringey breast line, for example. He seems more interested in being considered a menacing girl stalker than the girl itself. And that is another tie to the later killings because the cipher has him cringely state killing “is even better than getting your rocks off with a girl“.

All of this led to law enforcement questioning Zodiac’s sexuality and Paul Avery putting out an article in ’69 saying he was “a clumsy criminal, a liar, and possibly a latent homosexual” adding that those were the opinions of detectives on the case.

I have a different reading on this. Zodiac shows a lot of signs to me that he was molested as a child or witnessed sexual violence. It probably happened around late elementary school to middle school and probably wasn’t ongoing into high school. This is because ongoing molestation sometimes ends in over sexualization and the closer the victim is to sexual maturity when it happened the more chance it awakens sexuality in them, causing them to want to pursue healthy sexual encounters to blot out the bad ones. Low frequency or single events early in childhood sometimes cut off that feeling toward sex completely and it can be hard to come back from. They end up not feeling anything in sex, even if they have it.

Molested kids, especially when it happens at a young age, sometimes take on a different name, including fanciful nicknames they want to be called that endure into adulthood. It disconnects them from their origins and the difficulty of dealing with the terrible emotions they were forced to endure at an age they weren’t equipped to handle (as if you are ever equipped). It gives the feeling that it happened to someone else, not you. Further, it’s alluring to chase away that awful feeling of victimhood by recreating the situation and being the victimizer. It gives you power back. You’ve redefined yourself. This is why some tragically go from being molested to becoming molesters.

Perhaps Zodiac liked women and wanted to be with them but couldn’t get the sexual things right because of the barrier from a molestation or witnessed sexual violence incident and it was frustrating to him? It seems pretty notable that the killings are lover’s lane kind of things until Stine. It’s like he’s killing the act itself.

Ross Sullivan, in my opinion, is a good candidate to have been the victim of a sexual assault due to the circumstances of his life. He was a big kid who looked older at a young age. He participated in YMCA things. The YMCA, unfortunately, like any place committed to helping kids, has had its share of predators associated with it. He was on his school’s swim team (complete with photos of himself with just a speedo on). He was artistic but isolated. He struggled with spelling and grammar but had a keen intellect. His father had a big social network. There are indications of troubles at home. These all make for a vulnerable kid.

Something happened to make the Sullivan family suddenly move all of the way across the country to a place where none of their relatives lived. His father went into another YMCA directorship but that doesn’t seem to have lasted very long before he was doing home bible studies according to the papers. In fact, his dad bounced around period. His religious training was all over the place. Relatives interviewed in the 2010s were tight lipped about the move and indicated there was some kind of family secret. There is no indication that Harold pursued his sons or that they pursued him back after their mother’s death in ’60 which seems incredibly odd, especially since his life work was working with kids at the Y. Placing the boys in another home with the Siliphants during that time also seems very very off although perhaps it was to give a break to their ailing mother.

Ross’s father Harold died on 8/30/68. The Lake Herman Road murders were just under four months later on 12/20/68.

Let me be clear: I’m not accusing anyone specifically of anything here. But from what I can see, I don’t know the specifics, but something happened in the Sullivan family life. As they used to say in the Midwest where I grew up:

“I’ve didn’t see the tornado. But I saw the effects of one.”

ROSS SULLIVAN CONNECTIONS TO THE PHYSICAL LOCATIONS OF THE MURDERS

Let’s talk about possible connections to the murder locations.

First, Cheri Jo Bates. We can definitively place Ross Sullivan at Riverside College with intimate knowledge of the entire murder scene. Jo Ann Bailey said that Ross was always on campus “like a statue” and was employed by the library, the last place Cheri Jo was seen alive. He had access to the desks where the desk poem was found. The alley where Cheri Jo was murdered was directly in-between the “Harvard” annex to the library (where they kept the periodicals, I might add) and The Little Theater where Ross performed in Firebugs. Bailey said Ross often parked a motorcycle near a colleague’s car. A motorcycle was heard revving up that night.

Katz said that “Cheri Jo was a sophomore when I was a senior and was close to Bonnie Bartlett who was dating and later married Tim Sullivan, who was one of my best friends.” Tim went to Ramona High and John did as well. His brother John’s foster father was alleged to be the pastor at Cheri Jo Bates church, according to Bailey. Ross very likely knew Cheri Jo Bates in some capacity.

A video of the 1966 parade in Riverside, a parade featuring Ramona High cheerleaders of which Cheri Jo had previously been a part of, gives us a blurry scene of what looks like Ross and Cheri Jo sitting next to each other. The man is Ross shaped, blond crew cut hair, with black glasses and possibly aviators on them. The jacket he is wearing is the same one Ross wore in Deja Vive and the black shoes look like the ones he had in his high school drama photo. The girl is wearing the same outfit that Cheri Jo had on when she was murdered. She has red capri pants on and a black and straw striped purse behind her on the step. He’s leaning toward her, and she is leaning away.

Bailey said Ross disappeared for a couple of weeks after the murder and showed up with new clothes on. This was noteworthy to her because she said he nearly always wore the same thing. Katz said that Tim told him Ross ” … left Riverside after Cheri Jo Bates was killed and moved to Northern California where he would alternately be committed to mental hospitals and be released. He resided at times in San Francisco and Santa Cruz.

For all the talk about how detracting it is to Ross Sullivan as a person of interest because of lack of details to his whereabouts during the killings, you won’t find many POI’s for Zodiac with more connections to a specific Zodiac murder.

The canonical murders all happen perfectly within the 10ish month ’68 – ’69 timeline of Ross disappearing from Santa Cruz to him being placed under conservatorship in ’70. The letter writing also lines up nicely with him leaving San Francisco in ’74. And the gap in killing between ’66 – ’68 lines up nicely with witnesses putting him at Agnews for at least portions of those times. Tim and Bonnie going to Canada in late ’69 lines up with Zodiac using a cab instead of his own transportation.

Tim and Bonnie had a residence that lies on the line between the Stine pick up spot and end point. First image below is to 1370 California Street where Tim and Bonnie lived. Second image below is the full taxi route.

Harold worked at YMCA’s. Ross was active at YMCA’s. Bailey said Ross lived in a small room at a YMCA while in Riverside. Turns out that there is a YMCA close to this route and close to Tim and Bonnie’s home.

This is made more interesting because if you match up the weird symbol on the Avery letter to a map, it lines up almost exactly with the San Francisco map. The Chronicle would be the terminus on the right with the shorter second line lining up perfectly to where postal letters were received at the building. The terminus on the left is .. the YMCA. If you draw line up through the dots on the left and right side they are where north would be oriented on the normal San Fran map. Notice how the left side is shorter than the right and matches up with the streets. Notice that the symbol is in the return address portion of the letter (Zodiac and his love of formatting again). And notice the ominous hidden threat that he was indeed very close to Avery and could do him harm.

Pictured above is the YMCA at that location.

Further, that area of San Francisco also had plenty of outpatient clinics located around it.

In Santa Clara, Ross lived near a store called Palace Stationers. Check this out:

While we don’t know exactly where Ross was, the timeline is actually pretty tight. One possible snafu is that Tom Voigt said he was told by Dick Lonergan that Ross was in a mental institution on 9/27/69 when Hartnell and Shepard were attacked at Berryessa. However, he couldn’t find the specific notes he took on it, the interview was distant in time from when he first mentioned it, and Mike Morford said he brought up Ross Sullivan with Lonergan and Lonergan said nothing about him. At any rate, Bailey said Ross had told them about escaping from Patton before so I don’t see why he couldn’t have again. Mental Institutions in California at that time did not exactly have tight security. If you look up Patton articles in the 60’s you’ll see lot of articles about escapes, some of which they didn’t even know the person was gone for several days.

Ross died in ’77 after health problems due to mental illness and weight gain, not too long after Zodiac disappeared off of the scene.

ZODIAC KILLER VS. ROSS SULLIVAN TIMELINE

11/1/1961 – 2/1/1964 Ross Sullivan at Patton State Mental Hospital according to Jo Ann Bailey (alternatively prior to 9/11/61)

1964 to 1966 – Ross is Employed by the Riverside Library For Some Stretch of This Time; Bailey Says He Lived Couped Up in a Small Room at the YMCA

05/12/1965 & 05/13/1965 – 2 Newspapers Report Ross Sullivan Performing the Role of Sepp Schmitz in Riverside College Production Firebugs at the Little Theater. The School Newpaper Reporter Says He Steals the Show

Sometime in Spring to Fall Window 1966 – Possible Footage of Ross Sullivan Sitting Next to Cheri Jo Bates at a Riverside Parade

10/6/1966 – Tim Sullivan Marries Bonnie Bartlett (Katz said that Bonnie was “close to” Cheri Jo Bates from their years at Ramona High School). Marriage Certificate Says Bonnie Lived at 1370 California St. in San Francisco Which is Along the Direct Line From Mason & Geary to Washington and Cherry. Melvin Belli’s House Was Along This Route. It Is Less Than .5 Miles to the 220 Golden Gate YMCA and Less Than 1 Mile to Mason and Geary. The 220 Golden Gate Y is About Half a Mile to the San Francisco Chronicle.

10/28/1966 – Jo Ann Bailey Reports Seeing Ross Talking to a Cute Young Girl Outside of the Library and That He Was Always On Campus “like a statue“. (Katz said: “He was one of the people who were part of the RCC environment and we crossed paths occasionally … “)

10/30/1966 – Cheri Jo Bates is Murdered in the Alley Right Between the Harvard Library Annex and The Little Theater

10/30/1966 – Ross Sullivan Disappears “for a few weeks” According to Bailey

11/13/1966 – Mental Patient Interviewed Thinks He “might have killed Cheri Jo Bates” But Psychiatrist Determines Through Intensive Interviews That He Didn’t Know Cheri Jo Bates

Later in 11/1966 – Bailey States Ross Sullivan Returned to Campus Wearing Different Clothes

11/29/1966 Confession Letter is Mailed

04/30/1967 Bates Had To Die Letters Mailed

11/9/1967 – Riverside Sends Ross Sullivan’s Transcripts to UC Santa Clara

Post 11/9/1967 – Bailey Said She Heard He Was in a Mental Institution. Katz Said Tim Told Him “He left Riverside after Cheri Jo Bates was killed and moved to Northern California where he would alternately be committed to mental hospitals and be released. He resided at times in San Francisco and Santa Cruz

1968 – Santa Cruz Directory Has Ross Sullivan Living in an Apartment There

Spring 1968 – Acquaintance of Ross Sullivan’s Visits Him At Agnews State Hospital

08/30/1968 – Ross’s Father Harold Sullivan Dies (Does Ross reconnect with Tim during this time? Who got his father’s car?)

11/20/1968 – Lake Herman Road Attack

1969 – Ross Sullivan No Longer Listed at the Santa Clara Apartment; Newspaper Article on Reduction of Patient Populations at Agnews

07/4/1969 – Blue Rock Springs Attack

07/31/1969 First Letters and Ciphers Sent

08/1969 – First Letter With “Zodiac”

09/27/1969 – Lake Berryessa Attack

10/11/1969 – Presidio Heights Attack and Last Confirmed Zodiac Victim

Some Time in Late 1969 – Tim Moves to Canada to Avoid the Draft (The alternate sketch and witnesses sound and look a good bit like Tim. The Zodiac suddenly stops using a car to find victims with Stine and quits all together after him as far as what is confirmed but continues to write regularly until Oct 27th, 1970 – 9 Letters during that time.)

12/17/1970 – Conservatorship Filed by His Brother John Regarding Ross Sullivan. (There are 14 official Zodiac letters sent before this date in approx. 15 months. Only 6 official letters are sent in the 3 years after – 2 in March 1971 & 4 spread out of the first half on 1974)

Sometime in 1974 – Ross Sullivan Moves Back to Santa Clara

07/08/1974 – Last Confirmed Zodiac Letter “Red Phantom Letter” Sent to San Francisco Chronicle

09/29/77 – Ross Sullivan Dies

POSSIBLE ANSWERS TO THE ISSUES WITH ROSS AS A PERSON OF INTEREST

I covered the mental illness issues and the location issues above. Ross’s timeline lines up eerily well with the flow of the Zodiac case from top to bottom. We can place him definitively in all kinds of ways with the Cheri Jo Bates murder. We can place him loosely in San Francisco during the almost yearlong killing spree ’68 – ’69. All of the other parts fit pretty well. We also saw that Ross could excel as an actor and live on his own despite his mental illness. Bailey sure seemed to think Ross was capable. So, let’s look at the ones that are left.

  1. He was too big and heavy.

None of the known photos of Ross Sullivan make it look like he was huge. He’s not small. He’s barrel chested and beefy which fits well with a lot of the eyewitness descriptions. But he’s definitely not huge in any of them. The Ren Faire photo, as I illustrated before, actually offers an olive branch to the discrepancy between the height and weight in the Zodiac descriptors. His lumbering head tilted down walk makes him look shorter than 6′. When he stands up straight, he looks well over 6′. Weight is guessed at often by how tall we think someone is so it would help account for the differences in weight descriptions.

But what about the description of Ross in the latter half of the 60’s that he was heavy and maybe 240 – 300 lbs? What about his weight at death?

Mental health treatment was going through a big change at that time not just with the funding of institutions but also with the medication that treated it. In many ways, California in the late 50’s into the 60’s was the epicenter of effectively using new medications to treat severe mental illness. This success probably encouraged the governor’s stance of getting patients out of the institutions to cheaper alternatives provided by in neighborhood clinics. While these medications were proven to be effective, the side effects included rapid weight gain and losses. This could certainly account for fluctuation in his weight and actually makes sense of the differing weights given by the eyewitnesses. It’s important to note that no source that puts Ross at 240 or over is closer than 6 months before or after the canonical crime spree from late ’68 to late ’69.

We have no pictures of him post ’65ish and the nearest eyewitness to the late 60’s was a friend who put him at 240 at Agnews in the early spring of ’68, more than half a year away from the first attack.

Does this guy look that much bigger than the people around him? I don’t see it.

2. What About the Fingerprint Comparison to the Stine Cab That Toschi Told Dave Peterson Was Negative?

Peterson wasn’t happy himself with the comparison. He didn’t like that they didn’t compare palm prints. Zodiac claims he wore airplane glue on his fingers to alter his fingerprints or gloves and claimed directly that he was leaving red herrings in cab. Because it’s a cab, or course, other people’s fingerprints were sure to be in there. A lot of people out there are dubious about the Stine cab prints in general. I don’t think it’s a deal breaker.

FINAL THOUGHTS

Ross Sullivan looks like both Zodiac sketches down to the very details of them. He had the same clothes, in the same quality, and wore them in the same way. The timeline of his known movements synchronize closely with the flow of the Zodiac murders and correspondence. He especially fits well with the details of the Cheri Jo Bates murder. He had the skills and personality of the Zodiac. He knew how to use a gun and a knife. He was known to submit artistic endeavors to publications. He had skills in acting and theater. He was violent and threatening while also being funny and charming at times. He had mental issues that line up with Zodiac’s methodology. The circumstances of his life profile well with Zodiac’s personality. There are clues in the letters that point to him. Katz said Ross’s brother Tim told him “… that he was sure his brother Ross was the Zodiac killer.” Bailey said that she and many others, including the head counselor at Riverside College, thought that Ross Sullivan killed Cheri Jo Bates, and even called the police to tell them that.

Friends, Ross Sullivan might very well have been the Zodiac Killer.

I want to shout out the many researchers on forums and out there who have done amazing leg work on the Zodiac Killer and Ross Sullivan. I oft use the zodiackillerciphers.com timeline for help keeping Ross’s movements straight. Most of what I learned about Ross Sullivan came from Mike Morford’s previous Zodiac site that has now been replaced. Alas, a treasure trove of knowledge is gone. That was a welcoming site for speculation. Voigt’s site is, of course, another treasure trove of knowledge as he is himself. Zodiackiller.com has a great and easy to use archive of the letters and envelopes in good quality as well as a lot of good, archived discussion on all Z topics. Zodiacciphers.com has a ridiculous amount of good stuff on it as well. Also zodiackillerfacts.com is a good one. Reddit has even been handy in archiving these things as it’s kind of a crossroad for the different sites. Poster JeffP did some incredible personal digging into Ross as did Morf who even hired a private detective at one point, I believe. Oranchak and his crew have done amazing things with the ciphers and is always worth it to hear what he has to say. A poster named Chaucer made a very useful witness description spreadsheet. I’m missing a ton more but let me just say in conclusion that it has been impressive what the community has done for this case. Let’s hope we can someday finally find that definitive thing that will give peace to the victims and their families.

Another Ren Faire Picture That is A Bit Interesting

In the first 3 photos we have a fella in an interesting black tabard with some kind of white painted graphic on it. No, i’m not suggesting he is Zodiac. But it does look a bit like the style of the Berryessa costume, even though zodiacs was sort of more like a hood with a long chest and back piece. In the last photo, we can see from the Ren Faire booklets that there interestingly there were instructions on how to make your own costumes, and one has some similarities to the Zodiac hood.

(UPDATE 11/15/24 – TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FELLAS TABARD).

(EDIT 11/19/24 – Here’s the market cross (connected with the court of the dusty footed in the program). To the left of the monk type guy is a fella with a mask with eye slits.)

(EDIT 11/19/24 – From the 1963 -1964 movie called Pleasure Faire by Les Blank at the Southern California Pleasure Faire. Unfortunately this shot is a pan over and so blurry is all we get. The center is interesting but the top is definitely a helmet or something so not quite the Berryessa costume. If you look close the white smudge might possibly be a horse or something. But it could be a askew Zodiac crosshairs symbol. The one Hartness described was smaller. The overall look has some similarities to me though)

(Edit 11/19/24 – not sure what i’m looking at over her shoulder but another kind of dark costume with big headwear. I think this is a woman of child looking right and talking to the person next to them. It’s hard to see in this frame but here are two sproigy horns on top it seems)

Possible Zodiac Inspiration: Targets

Targets is an early Peter Bogdanovich movies concerning a seemingly normal young Vietnam veteran who flips and commits a killing spree starting with his family, progressing to a water tower overlooking a freeway, and culminating in shooting up a drive in movie theater.

The IMDB trivia has a poster who states Bogdanovich was inspired by real life California shooter Michael Clark: “The sequence with Bobby Thompson shooting people in cars driving on a freeway from the top of an oil storage tank was loosely inspired by the Highway 101 sniper attack where on April 25, 1965, a 16-year-old alienated youth, named Michael Andrew Clark, shot at motorists from a hilltop along Highway 101 just south of Orcutt, California, killing three and injuring 10 others before committing suicide. Prior to the shooting spree, Clark left behind a note vowing to make his parents “die a thousand times in court” for his actions, and he was right; a lawsuit was brought against Clark’s parents by two of the victim’s families for mistreating and not raising their son well, and negligence for allowing Clark access to the hunting rifle used for the shooting spree.” Other attributed inspirations are the JFK assassination and Charles Witman.

Of particular note is the release date: August 15th, 1968. Zodiac’s first official victims were killed just a few months later on December 20th, 1968.

There is a fair amount of Zynchronicity in this film. In the above poster, the crosshair can be seen clearly. This is a regular camera trick in the film. Bobby Thompson, the main character of the film, not only shoots people in the car, but also waits for them to pull over and get out to target them as they run away. Eerily, in the highway setting, Bobby Thompson is shown targeting a school bus.

When Bobby purchases his gun for the shooting, it shows the brand clearly.

When the store clerk asks Bobby what he’s gonna hunt he says “Gonna shoot some pigs”.

Bobby calmly types a creepy letter after some of the killings telling whoever finds it to stop him before he kills again.

And what happens is reported in the newspaper.

In the climax of the film, Bobby fires down upon a crowd at the drive-in. An important element of the scene is that he is frustrated when the film goers turn out the lights in their cars not allowing him to see them in his attempt to shoot them.

Another important element is how Bobby is tracked down: he drives away from the movie theater in a speedy erratic manner which draws the attention of authorities.

The tone of the film is interesting. While it may come off as cheesy to today’s audiences, Bogdanovich’s tone must have been compelling and unnerving at the time. He cast Boris Karloff in the film, even showed some of a previous film of his called The Terror, and has Karloff give a timely monologue in the wake of MLK and the University of Texas shooting that horror had changed. It wasn’t a monster with fangs and unnatural powers in spooky castles and haunted houses that scared us today – it was a guy with a sniper rifle in our everyday locations. The setting of horror had become real life. The monster was just an everyday kid who lived a normal American life. What sets this film apart is how normal Bobby seems. This tees up the shockingness of how unreactive he is to his own violence. Bogdanovich creates brilliant tension out of every day, ordinary scenes where you can practically feel Bobby’s rage at his father and his wife despite his pleasant act. You can feel through the screen how the horrors that the kid experienced in Vietnam has forever changed him and has no outlet in the world he lives in. All added up, Bogdanovich showed that modern day horror isn’t vampires and werewolves, it’s that you can’t go to a parade or a school without being afraid. Any one of those scenes and anyone of the normal players in those scenes could become a vessel of horror. This is a lesson that still connects today.

On the Ross Sullivan front, there is an interesting connection. Bobby is shown to have a lot of anger issues toward his dad despite having apparent respect for him, even lining him up in the crosshairs of his gun for a pregnant few seconds in a scene where they go out shooting. Ross appeared to have been estranged from his father for several years, perhaps as early as ’58 in high school after they moved from New York to California.

Ross’s dad Harold died on August 30th, 1968, shortly after the film was released and shortly before the first official Zodiac Killer killings began.

The 1963 Renaissance Faire

I’ll forgive you if you think I see Ross Sullivan everywhere and it’s a bit ridiculous. I question it myself. Maybe I’ve gone loopy.

Anyway, looking into Paul Doerr, a suspect put forth by Jarett Kobek recently, I happened upon a 1963 Ren Faire video which was a place Doerr was said to have frequented and perhaps played a part in the Zodiac costuming.

And, well, heck if I didn’t find a guy who looks a whole lot like Ross Sullivan. And with a black banded wristwatch to boot. Although I’ve never seen a pic of Ross with facial hair and maybe this guys is too short. You decide.

(The picture above is from the 1963 video I linked below. We got a very Zodiac like body type and Ross like bottom lip that protrudes a bit. Widow’s peak. Black Rimmed glasses.)

(Above is Ross in Deja Vive in high school)

(A jank photoshop I did but I think the similarity is striking.)

(Above is Ross from way back – maybe early high school.)

(Above is Ross in High School again)

The Original Renaissance Pleasure Faire was in Agoura, California at the time, only about 90 miles from Riverside.

In the same video, there is a fella with his back to us dressed the same as this guy who could have been part of the building group. I put those pictures below. As far as I saw (I did look at the accreditation in the playbills) Ross’s name wasn’t there (or any of the usual suspects).

(The above 2 are the similarly dressed guy. He doesn’t have the beard or glasses so it looks like it is maybe not the same person. The outfit is almost exactly the same, though.)

Even if this is Ross, I don’t know that it means anything.

It’s just weird, man.

EDIT: Just thinking a little further on this. There is an interesting thing about it. The guy in the picture is walking ordinarily, it appears. His walk is slightly tilted back in the shoulders/torso with his head tilted a good bit forward. He has a lot of arm swing and, overall, the gait looks a little awkward to me.

So, at first glance when I saw this guy, it immediately reminded me of the Deja Vive photo but I didn’t think he was tall enough to be Ross Sullivan. I thought this guy was shorter than 6′, especially considering he appears to be standing next to a woman. But, if I imagine that guy standing up straight, i’d bet he was over 6′. The combination of his upper torso being tilted back with his head jutting forward makes him look a good bit shorter than he probably was.

In witness description Zodiac is regularly described as being stocky but not fat and between 5’8″ and 6’2″. I mean, this guy could pass for either of those, no? I think I recall that Fouke or someone described Z’s walk as the head leaning forward. The difference in height descriptions brings up a lot of debate but something like this may offer a bridge.

Maybe there is some importance to this photo, after all. I don’t know how it is possible, I really don’t, but I’ve looked at a lot of Ross Sullivan photos and I’m 90% sure that is him.

(EDIT 11/15/24 – SOME BETTER SCANS BELOW I RECENTLY FOUND ONLINE IT APPEARS ROSS MAY BE WEARING A FLANNEL STYLE SHIRT LIKE THE ONE ABOVE. I THINK TIMEXMARLIN ON THE TAPATALK FORUM DID THESE TO GIVE DUE CREDIT)

EDIT 12/15/23

I’ve had a while to think on this and I believe this is indeed Ross Sullivan. I was struck today looking at the following two pictures side by side. They body build is the same proportions across the board. Look particularly at the pants. Outside of the pleats (can’t tell if the Ren Faire photo person has pleats) they fit the same and look the same. If you put the same jacket and hood on the right on the guy in the left, I mean, it’s close if not perfect. And here Ross has a watch of the same type found by the CJB crime scene. There has always (rightly so) been push back on Ross that he wasn’t the right body shape to be the Zodiac. This picture is a strong rebuttal to that.

EDIT 12/28/23

These pics are the gifts that keep on giving it seems. Something that stands out on the Berryessa sketch is the pointed cuffs on the pants. Look at them in that picture and then look at Ross is the above pictures. I mean, it sure looks like Ross in the Ren Faire pic has a pointed pleat pair of pants exactly like the LB suspect drawing. And look at his high school pants – looks the same there as well. Jo Ann Bailey said Ross never changed his clothing (until after CJB was killed). His family had moved across the country to a place that didn’t appear to have family members of his. He was said to have stayed for a time along with his brothers at Allan Silliphant’s house, not a family friend or relative. Ross’s mother died around his senior year in high school and he was estranged from his dad. He might not have had extra clothes. Are these the same pants as Lake Berryessa??

The Jo Ann Bailey Letter

Want to point out with this that many who don’t like this letter paint Bailey something like a grumpy old busybody who didn’t like Ross because he smelled and looked weird to her should consider that it wasn’t her but Evan Vail, the “head counselor at RCC” that tried to call the police to get them to consider him. She was not alone in seriously suspecting him.

Ross Sullivan, Tim Sullivan, and San Francisco

Generally, when Zodiac sleuths talk about the Stine killing, they surmise that Zodiac had a car stashed nearby and fled the scene, eventually, with that.

That’s entirely possible. I’ve kicked around an alternate scenario lately, however: what if Zodiac always planned to walk away? It seems to me that there is merit in drawing a line between the pick up location (Mason and Geary or thereabouts) and the murder scene (Washington and Cherry) and looking in the middle for suspects. The distance between the 2 scenes is approximately 3.4 – 3.5 miles according to Google maps. I would suspect the killer wouldn’t want to be too close to home for either. A mile and a half away from each is a pretty good length in a crowded city.

It’s worth at least considering that Zodiac stopped killing maybe for the simple reason that he couldn’t drive anymore. The past 3 crime scenes had been secluded wilderness type locations which he had to access by car. These locations gave him control. He could wait from the anonymity of his car for the perfect spot and time, driving away if it didn’t look good or posing as a good Samaritan/lost motorist if needed. In a sense, the Stine crime scene has many similarities. With a taxi driver he could control the scene (which appears he did as the car was a little further up than it looked like it was supposed to stop) and the location is very near the closest thing to a wilderness in San Francisco proper: The Presidio. Perhaps Zodiac lost the ability to drive and the taxi was a way to use his old methods. Losing the ability to drive is a real possibility for a low income person, like Zodiac is often profiled as, or for people with mental disabilities, something also often profiled concerning Zodiac.

At any rate, beyond all that, there are very good questions out there about whether Ross Sullivan was in any location where killings took place, outside of Cheri Jo Bates in Riverside. The truth is, there is some compelling connection of Ross Sullivan to San Francisco, at least. Below are some pictures of possible connections in relation to the Stine crime scene to consider. A lot of the info came from Mike Morford’s awesome Zodiac page and forums. Here is a link: https://zodiackiller.net/community/ross-sullivan/tim-sullivan/

The blue line represents the general route between Mason & Geary and Washington & Cherry. The grey line is an alternate route. Remember, Zodiac was first encountered on foot heading this direction.

This is Tim Sullivan and Bonnie Bartlett’s marriage certificate. Tim was Ross’s brother. Bonnie was connected to Cheri Jo Bates as a high school friend by one of Tim’s friends, Gerald Katz.
This is the address Bonnie has listed on the marriage certificate.
1370 California St. from Washington and Cherry. Not pictured but it is very close to Mason and Geary.
This is unsubstantiated as being the correct Bonnie so take it as needing more vetting but check out the next map …
2361 Jackson St. couldn’t be much more in the middle of this thing.
For good measure 2825 Broadway is where Melvin Belli’s mansion was located.
25 Baker St. is linked to Tim Sullivan. Katz independently remembered Tim living in this vicinity so it is probably him.
25 Baker St in relation to Stine killing.

Katz said Ross was in and out of mental institutions between crimes and Ross has been linked to YMCA’s. I didn’t do map work on late 60’s mental institutions or outpatient facilities but it should be remembered that in this time, Governor Reagan had made it a point to save the state money by cutting back on mental health costs. A lot of patients were relegated to outpatient stay and medicating was becoming more the norm, partially thanks to effective new medications. There were a lot of day facilities around to accommodate this shift. This was considered a problem by the mental health professionals and there is at least one formal letter signed by a large number of them floating around that they didn’t think this was a good idea and they even named specific individuals who they believed shouldn’t be on the streets with this kind of day facility care.

While I didn’t do the map work on mental institutions, I DID do some work on YMCA’s, seen below.

This is where the 220 Golden Gate YMCA is located. It had been around since the early 1900s. Looks like it had living spaces.

I’m going to throw in an interesting bit here that was called to my attention by someone on Morf’s forums.

Above is the Avery letter, sent just after the Stine killing. This forum goer postulated: what if the symbol is a map? It is located in the return address location – a sort of mini cypher that might appeal to Zodiac’s trolling tone. Sure enough, if you take the right side of it, it matches up pretty well with the block the San Francisco Chronicle is on, where the half line at the bottom ends directly in an alley where the receiving line for the newspaper was. Further, it matches up well with the funky intersection of roads located right there, the dots giving a hint if you draw a line through them that they orientate North (and point in the general direction of the Mason and Geary pick up, I might add). So, if the right side is meant to line up with the Chronicle buildings, where do the left side end? Well .. lo and behold ..

YMCA at 220 Golden Gate Avenue.
I, of course, added the lines.

I mean, it lines up pretty perfectly, no? If you look closely at the left line it even looks like Zodiac stopped then added a little extra (maybe didn’t want it to be too easy). I don’t know if this is it, maybe we never will, but how threatening would that sending something like this be to show that Z was so close to Avery?

This is all speculation. I don’t know if Ross was involved. But, to me, the San Francisco connection at the very least has some ties to him. According to Katz, Tim moved to Canada at the end of ’69, conveniently when Zodiac took a taxi ride to a murder location and not long after the canonical Zodiac crimes stopped. Is it possible Tim was letting Ross use his car or place? Further Bonnie and Tim split up: did this maybe have something to do with it?

And then there is this that I sometimes think about …

Berryessa sketch
Tim Sullivan

I don’t know how close it is honestly but sometimes I see a resemblance.

Oh yeah, and also, according to Katz, Tim thought Ross was the Zodiac.

YMCA 220 Golden Gate as well as pictures below

The Time I Talked With a High School Acquaintance of Ross

I don’t want to go into specifics here because I don’t want anyone inundated with people trying to contact them but I tracked down a high school acquaintance of Ross’s a little while back and managed to get him on the phone. Really nice guy and pleasant to talk to – I could’ve talked for hours with him just about California in the late 50’s and 60’s! I’ve always been fascinated by that era of California.

Anyway, nothing too groundbreaking came out of this call but I learned that, from his perspective, Ross was a likeable, funny guy. Smart. Sweet, even. It really humanized Ross.

One thing sticks with me, though, that I want to share. I can’t get away from it.

I’ve been curious is Ross had an accent. He moved from New York to California so it follows. When I asked this guy if Ross had an accent or a peculiar way of talking he got thoughtful and said:

“.. no .. no .. I don’t remember an accent.”

I pressed a touch.  “Maybe a cadence to how he talked or something?”

Then, like a lightning bolt:

“Well, I don’t remember an accent but  I can tell you this: when Ross Sullivan was talking to you, you knew it was him.”

The way he said that told me it was a clear memory.  

I’ve decided to leave Z and CJB research alone (mostly) for a while but I gotta admit that little bit of conversation and the way he said it comes to mind every so often to me.

Firebugs

Very interesting thing just came up!

Reddit user OkDragonfly5820 found this May 12th, 1965 article in a Banning newspaper detailing a play called The Firebugs that Ross Sullivan had a speaking role in! Here is the clipping:

I got curious and looked in the Tiger Times to see if they covered it and *drum roll* success! It is covered by the school newspaper!

May 13th, 1965

Ross is listed as playing Sepp Schmitz, a main character and arsonist.

Note the director says he wants to do interesting things with the play and the writer of the article invites the audience to a “terrifying” experience. In fact, the director, Dyer, said “It’s the type of play that people with weak hearts should not attend or come only with their nurse.”

Move forward to the next Tiger Times May 20th, and, low and behold, Ross’s performance was the masterpiece of the play according to the writer! I’ll let you read it yourself:

Concerning the play itself – it’s very interesting material, friends. Here is a write up from the April 29th Tiger Times

Here is what I wrote on Reddit about the play after I read it.

“Ok so Firebugs is very very interesting. It’s basically about how people will turn a blind eye in the name of charitableness to let bad things happen and ends with a crazy scene in hell with the protagonists speaking to different devils. It would be very easy to see Ross in the role of one of the two imposing arsonists. This is one excerpt from the beginning:

‘It is unworthy of God, unworthy of man, to call a stupidity Fate Simply because it happened. The man who acts so No longer deserves the name, No longer deserves God’s earth, Inexhaustible, fruitful and kind, Nor the air that he breathes, Nor the sun. Bestow not the name of Fate Upon man’s mistakes …’

From ‘The Confession Letter’:

‘Miss Bates was stupid. She went to the slaughter like a lamb.’

EDIT: It’s also possible Ross specifically played Beelzebub or The Figure (some kind of devil) which is really eye catching. The Beelzebub speech at the end is flat out eerie: ‘My childhood faith! My childhood faith! What are they making of my childhood faith! I, the son of a charcoal burner and a gypsy woman, who couldn’t read but knew the Ten Commandments off my heart, I’m possessed by the Devil. Why? Simply because I scorned all commandments. Go to hell, Joe, you’re possessed by the Devil. I stole whatever took my fancy … And they feared me in every village, for I was stronger than all of them, because I was possessed by the Devil … ‘

Confession Letter

‘I am not sick. I am insane …’

EDIT 5/11/21 – After revisiting the play, it’s pretty clear that if the final act is actually performed, Schmitz is definitely in the Beelzebub role.

ALSO OF NOTE ABOUT THE PLOT: There is an after section of the play. In fact, the revised title reads something like “Biedermann goes to hell”.

I’m not entirely sure that the last section was always performed (the articles above imply that it was in some ways but don’t come right out and say it) but essentially the lead, Biedermann, wakes up in hell with his wife. In the end, the two arsonists come back as devils. It’s clear that the actors of the arsonists are to transition to the devil roles in the end section. The play takes a pretty big step away from dark comedy to just dark.

The gist of the devil’s conversation is dissatisfaction that hell is only filled with petty sinners while the big, powerful people who are doing terrible things to the world are making it much more of a true hell than the hell they run. The big shots go unpunished for it and seem to be absolved by heaven. The devils want to go on strike and go to earth where the true fun is at, which they do.

I don’t want to force a “slaves in paradise” kind of thing into this, and the Little List letter isn’t exactly apples to apples to it, but the gist isn’t too far away from the list of small offence people who are collected in hell in this section. Below is a screen shot of the “list” portion.

“Once again, nothing but teenagers.”

Below is a smattering of text from the play just to give a feel for the language used in it.

The next 3 are a continuous section of the devils speaking. Pretty eerie if you ask me.

“… the fine people who never come to hell, I’m burning to serve them afresh! … Once again sparks and crackling flames, sirens that are always too late, the barking of dogs and smoke and human cries – and ashes!”

While the content of the black humor play is rather interesting, the bigger take away is that Ross had familiarity with another building that was very close to where Cheri Jo Bates was killed.

Edit 5/17/21

Here are a few more thoughts after having reflected on it for a few days:

  1. The role of Sepp Schmitz and how it might relate to Zodiac.

Schmitz is a villainous character with an outwardly pleasant demeanor. He uses his charisma and the etiquette of his society to realize the violence he internally wants to unleash. From the writing of this character, it doesn’t come across that Schmitz hates the people he is harming. Schmitz simply wants to see the world burn. It gives him pleasure. This has some eerie parallels to the Zodiac killer, to my mind. Toying with the conventions of society through letter writing. Impersonal killing simply for the thrill it gives him. Playing “the game” and doing his “thing”.

The reviewer described the role in conjunction with the other arsonist as “comedy mixed with the fear (they) instilled”. It can certainly be convincingly asserted that Zodiac attempts to take a joking tone in his letters at times.

It doesn’t come off to me as a stretch to say that Zodiac might very well have had a Sepp Schmitz type of persona.

2. What this tells us about Ross Sullivan.

First, it shows Ross had more intimate familiarity with the CJB crime scene that we previously knew, and we already knew he likely had a lot. The Little Theater was next to the library annexes. CJB was killed about 10 feet from the corner of the Harvard annex, which puts her very close to Little Theater. The college papers and magazines (Tiger Times and Nighttimes) report and lament on the parking difficulties at the college, especially at night. There was quite a bit of construction throughout that time period. Anyone driving into the college would likely have to have up to date information about parking, traffic, and weekend student population to not only potentially park down that alley but, especially, to tamper with CJB’s car. The car tampering tells us a lot because it was a risky gambit. The killer HAD to know which was her car. He HAD to know her location during that entire evening, remarkable because that is something that no one else can seem to figure out with certainty in the investigation, and he HAD to know that she would stay well after library hours, or otherwise she would just walk to the library and bang on the door or go inside with someone letting her in to use a phone. He HAD to know he wouldn’t likely be interrupted in that alley. He HAD to know she would ask specifically him to help her with the car. If he parked in that alley, he HAD to know it was an option to park there. Tampering with the car was super risky because if he’s not the first one to get to her, whoever does will see the distributer wire was pulled and get very suspicious about what happened. It’s hard to imagine someone not familiar with the campus would have chosen this gambit. Ross being a part of the production ties him to intimate familiarity with several buildings in that alley CJB died. Where there’s smoke … ?

Next, we learn that Ross was not only smart enough to memorize a whole lot of lines and cues for those lines, he was able to artfully, theatrically execute those lines. His intelligence and artistry are solidified.

Generally people audition for specific roles in this kind of production but even if not it tells us something. Ross either wanted this role, the role of a monster disguised under pleasant protocol, smiles, and charm, who portrays a devil in the end, or the director saw this in him and thought he was right for it. Either tells us something about Ross. Several other productions happened around this one at RCC and it’s notable that none of them list Ross as a performer for them, even though he drew rave reviews here. This was the part for him.

The reviewer including Ross’s performance choice of a “low, wicked rumble delight” when the flame was lit has Ross portraying a villain who destroys simply because he enjoys it. She also calls the portrayal “crude, slovenly” which has some parallels to Hartnell saying his attacked was “sloppily dressed”.

None of these things are smoking guns but they are very interesting and give us some insight into Ross. That insight, in my opinion, draws him closer towards a Zodiac persona, not farther away.

Ross Sullivan Wrist Watch

Woah woah woah.

Have a look at this!

That’s a black banded watch peeking out of his sleeve on his right wrist with a round circular watch face? (The only thing I did with these photos is adjust the clarity setting and zoom in a bit.)

EDIT: Investigators found a broken watch and Wing Walker shoe prints at Cheri Jo Bates crime scene. Evidence of a suspect with either of the same style would elevate them as a suspect. Above and below, I’ve included pics of the watch from the crime scene to compare.

(UPDATE 11/2/20)

After some research, it appears the watch at the CJB crime scene was very likely a ‘63 Timex Marlin. In that case, it would make it impossible this is the same type of watch. I’ll leave this up just in case an older Timex appears that has the same design as the crime scene watch, although that is unlikely.

(Addendum 10/22/20)

I didn’t have time to flesh this out yesterday but here’s what I’m seeing. On his right wrist, from the bottom to 3/4 up is a black band. At the top of the wrist is a circular shape that is not the same color as his hand. The circular shape is about 2/3rds exposed. In the middle of that circle is a black dot (the hands). I think you can even make out the winding gear on the right side as a little nob.

At first I thought it was a shadow on his right wrist, but if it was a shadow, it would continue on. Instead it terminates sharply a little past the bottom of his wrist (consistent with the width of watch band) as you can see in this filter. Also, importantly, the black line gradually widens a bit at the bottom of his right wrist, consistent with his shirt cuff pulling back and exposing more of the band (You can see that more clearly three pictures down). In comparison, have a look at his left wrist laying on his left leg. The shadow his hand makes on his leg continues on and is fuzzy. I also think the orientation of the sleeve in relation to where the light appears to be coming from wouldn’t leave this kind of shadow.

The round watch face I thought was glare. However, it’s hard to call it glare with the defined black mark in the middle of it (none of the other glare spots have any darks spots in the middle) and the circle itself looks to be a similar color to his skin but a bit paler and homogenously colored. It’s a defined circle.

(I’ve added nothing but the arrow on this one and used a filter. You can see in this pic how sharply the black band is in general and terminates.)
(I added the white circle and black dot in this one to show the watch face.)
(Solid black band. Terminates 3/4 up. In this one, you can see the slim round line encasing the the glass/quartz watchface. Also you can see in the above at the top left corner that it looks like the circle watch face ends and there is a little triangle of his normal skin. )
(Outlined what I’m seeing here.)
See the source image
(Most importantly, you can see that this watch is indeed the same style as the watch found at the crime scene. For what it’s worth, I couldn’t remember completely what the crime scene watch looked like when I noticed this in this old Ross photo.)
(Added some highlight lines)

Original pic of Ross with the Orators at Glendale High circa 1959 below. It’s worth noting that you can compare Ross’s wrist size with other students in this photo and they appear to be not particularly large, around the same size as several of the females in the photo.

And why not throw this in here.

(Wing Walkers vs. Ross’s Shoes in the Pic.)

UPDATE 5/10/21 – Had someone a while back PM telling me the CJB shoe print was a BF Goodrich sole on low quarter shoes.